|Anyone want to buy some Camelbaks?|
I finally said enough is enough and bought a MS-1, which has 15L interior storage and 5L exterior storage. http://outthereusa.com/
|Scott Shaw's brand new MS-1.|
|Robert Bart's Osprey Talon and Scott Shaw's MS-1.|
|Stuffing my hat and jacket in my MS-1.|
After 6 years of heavy use I was bragging about what a great pack it is to my teammates that were searching for a new pack. This jinxed my pack and a day later the main zipper tore about an inch away from the pack. Before that I only had one small rip in the rip stop nylon from barb wire. I just kept an eye on it and it never spread. I was devastated at the thought of having to replace my beloved MS-1.
|Team BOR likes duct tape.|
with Dave Cortivo's MS-1
and Larson's Medical Kit.
I ended up deciding that for the time being that I don’t want the larger pack and I start looking at my teammates Osprey Talon 22’s (22L storage). They seem to like them and try to sell me on their highlights, but every time I spy theirs I don’t see much I like. I decide that is not fair and head to a local retailer to try one on. I grab a Talon 22 and it immediately feels heavier than my MS-1. I start to look at the “suspension system” that is supposed to balance the weight for comfort, but then I notice the lack of forward pockets. I also notice the hip pockets are small and hard to reach and remember my teammates ripped up mesh hip pockets and ripped up mesh outer back pocket. The mesh on my MS-1 never ripped. I set it down and tell the salesman I’m not interested. I tell him I just want my MS-1 back. I remember my teammate telling me that Osprey has a lifetime warranty, so I decide that I would drive home and try to contact Out There Packs to see if they can repair my pack, replace it, or give me a discount on a new MS-1.
|Larry Lazo loving his MS-1 like a baby and fingering his...what? Yuck!|
Karl Kilthau in the background mesmerized by Larry.
|Scott Shaw's Brand New MS-2!|
I chose a black MS-2 because it had the new removable hip belt option and still had the mesh pockets instead of rip stop nylon. I chose the mesh over the rip stop because it held up much better on my MS-1. I believe the blue MS-2 had mesh, and the orange had more rip stop. The MS-2 has bigger hip pockets! It also has dual bladder attachments. I don’t know if I will use the removable hip belt, but it is a cool idea. I will try it out before I dismiss it.
|Add a Hip Pack Pocket to make your |
removable belt hold more.
|Removable belt with Hip Pack Pocket installed.|
"Compact and feature-rich, our MS-2’s lighter weight means more comfort and energy for “done-in-a-day” outings, such as adventure racing, climbing, short ski tours, bike adventures, or just walking around town. It offers a full-featured, ultra-comfortable design in a versatile and ventilated day-pack. Offering highly efficient and accessible storage options, while exhibiting a simplified fit with upgraded style and materials. One of the highlights of the new MS-2 pack is the detachable Hip Belt, which doubles as a separate Hip Pack.
- Colors – Black, Blue, Orange
- 2 in 1 Hip Belt– Airmesh lined, with NEW -ergonomic 1” waist belt webbing & buckle. NEW -Adjustable width buckle system under back panel, NEW-Hip Belt detaches from pack for use as separate Hip Pack
- “Beaver Tail Pockets”™– 4 easy access pockets on shoulder straps (2 zip, NEW -1 water resistant) NEW -Velcro attachment for swapping with Bottle Tail accessory pockets
- Stow Pocket– NEW –Zipper pocket on bottom of pack with towline/key ring tab, and NEW -Ice Axe tip slots
- 2 Accessory Webbing Loops– Bottom of pack with buckles for Ice axe, poles or skis NEW -Adjustable buckle added to 2nd strap
- Accessory Bungee Cords– Bungees with NEW -squeeze cord lock hooks and webbing tabs for attaching helmet
- Internal Stretch Mesh– NEW – 4-way stretch mesh on internal pockets for more pocket storage volume
- Elastic Webbing Loops– NEW – Elastic keepers to gather excess webbing on shoulder straps and chest strap
- 4 External Pockets – 2 side easy access, one lg. helmet compatible, one zippered. Note; NEW Orange model, all external pockets on main pack body are Rip stop nylon
Packed with FeaturesIn addition to the NEW upgraded features, the MS-2 incorporates the signature features listed below:
- Rip Stop Nylon – Durable, silicon treated water resistant, light weight construction
- Foam Padded Venting – Airmesh covered foam venting on back panel
- Ergonomic Shoulder Straps– Airmesh wrapped perforated foam for enhanced comfort
- Chest Strap– Vertical and width adjustable, with integrated buckle whistle
- 2 Hip Belt Pockets– Integrated, easy access zippered pockets (one water resistant)
- 2 Hip Belt Water Bottle Pockets– Convenient easy to reach side mesh pockets
- Hydration Bladder Compartment– Internal sleeve-compatible to stow laptop
- Hydration tube External Port– Two internal webbing/hook attachments for bladder
- 3 Internal Organizer Pockets– One mesh pockets (1 zippered), 1 nylon organizer pocket
- 4-Side Compression Straps– Double as Ski or Snowboard attachment straps
- Top Zipper Pocket – With waterproof zipper, stows strap for diagonal ski attachment
- 4 Nylon/plastic Webbing Tabs– Sewn on bottom of pack for attaching camping gear"
|One bad ass MS-2!|
Mesh chest pockets and nylon covered straps on MS-1
One H2O resistant chest pocket and mesh covered straps on MS-2.
|Larger hip bags on MS-2.|
|"Camelbak" tail accumulator modification.|
|MS-1 front, MS-2 rear bladder attachment.|
|One concern I have on MS-2 is that the heavy duty mesh and rip stop nylon has been replaced with stretchy "cheaper Osprey looking" mesh. We will see if it holds up inside the pack.|
I couldn’t let my old trusty MS-1 die so I tore out the old zipper and searched all over for a new one. I couldn’t find the exact one, but I bought one that was a close second and sewed it back in (I should have asked Mike where to get one). It functions and looks good from the outside, but I made a mess of the inside. If I would have taken my time I could have made it better, but it was better than throwing an awesome pack away. I can always clean up the inside later if I want. I will use my MS-1 for training and my MS-2 for racing, which will hopefully extend the life of my MS-2. I could also sell a bunch of my Camelbaks and my MS-1 and buy some more Out There's!
Our team almost exclusively runs either Out There Packs or Osprey Packs. We have a large AR team with around 30 members. I think Osprey is slightly beating out Out There as the most used pack on the team, but that is because our team is full of cheap bastards. I need to figure out that percentage. Rough estimate looks like a 60/40 split. Now that Out There is sponsoring Team BOR I think that balance will shift into Out There's favor. Why buy a pack that is not designed for adventure racing when Out There Packs are? It seems like a simple decision to me.
|Alane Wollins new MS-2.|
|I think she loves her pack.|
Pros: large main pocket works great for storing large amounts of gear. Pack has a small outboard zipper pocket on top and one inside the main pack for storing smaller pieces (e blanket, lighter etc) so you don’t have to empty the pack at gear checks. Built in helmet carrying system. Integrated pole (think paddles or walking sticks) carrying system. Stiffer backing between the bladder and back keeps the pack fitting the same whether a full or empty bladder is installed. Many more load adjustments on the straps than any camelbak I have owned.
Osprey will repair/replace the pack for free with their all mighty guarantee. As with most packs, integrated whistle.
Cons: hip pouches are a bit small. Mesh on kangaroo pouch and hip pockets will tear over time with bushwhacking. Mesh tends to get sticky if you put empty gel wrappers in it. (Annoying thing, not really a con)" KEVIN MINTON
|Kevin's Osprey Talon 22|
|Kevin's dog Osprey...Kevin likes Osprey packs we guess.|
|Team Mates Osprey (not sure of model).|